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MarkNZ wrote:

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I believe we are separate groups, born again believers and Israel but of course we pray for them.
But not everything in the old testament we obey, e.g. (sacrifices). If its been replaced in the New Testament then we do it the new way. (2 cor.9:7) in regards to giving. Nowhere is the church told to tithe. (Mathew 23:23 and
Luke 11: 42) are still under the old covenant. Theres no suggestion anywhere that implies the early church tithed.
They took up offerings, collections and gave from their hearts (spirit led).

So, what about verses such as:

Acts 7:37-38 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

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In the LXX, the Greek version of the Old Testament, it is interesting to note that Israel is referred to as "the church." Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the Church and Deuteronomy 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the Church, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

MarkNZ wrote:

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I have an NIV, looked up the 1st one and says assembly in mine. However, I'm more interested in the tithing debate.
It's such a controversial one. I used to tithe and when I did I used to defend it with a passion but after having studied up on it I find so much evidence against it being a new covenant practice. You'de think there would be some suggestions that the early christians tithed ( no suggestions that the disciples tithed).Being such an important thing in the old testament you would think it would be more clear.

I understand your question is about tithing. However, not only is the answer to your question important, but how you get there is just as important. Note: before you ever posted your question I posted this concerning "offerings":

http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/4483/t/Re-Faith-Promise.html

and we have this posted in reference to "tithing":

It is sometimes argued that the tithe is no longer applicable in the New Testament era, but that the rule of giving generously and cheerfully now applies. However, the New Testament nowhere revokes the command to tithe, and Jesus himself affirms it (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). Moreover, the passage generally used to support this argument (2 Cor. 9:7), does not apply to tithes, but to a special gift for the needy. Of course, the New Testament also affirms the need to care for the poor apart from using the tithe (Matt. 6:3-4; 19:21; Mark 10:21; Luke 14:13; 18:22; 19:8; Gal. 2:10; Jam. 2:1-17).

However, what I am attempting to have you discover is that your methodology for getting the answer is in error. Look and the Greek of the verses and you will discover that what you see translated "assembly" is "church." I would suggest reading http://thirdmill.org/newfiles/wil_hendriksen/wil_hendriksen.Israel.html