| Author | Comment | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
MarkNZ
|
Tithing |
Lead | ||
|
I tithed for many years but now don't believe it is scriptural. Of all the scripture in the bible on tithing, none of it is addressed to the church, only
Israel so what are peoples views on this?
|
||||
|
|
||||
5 Solas |
#1 | |||
|
So whar relationship, if any, do you see between the Church and Israel ?
In Christ,
5 Solas |
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
#2 | |||
|
I believe we are separate groups, born again believers and Israel but of course we pray for them.
But not everything in the old testament we obey, e.g. (sacrifices). If its been replaced in the New Testament then we do it the new way. (2 cor.9:7) in regards to giving. Nowhere is the church told to tithe. (Mathew 23:23 and Luke 11: 42) are still under the old covenant. Theres no suggestion anywhere that implies the early church tithed. They took up offerings, collections and gave from their hearts (spirit led). |
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
mans | #3 | ||
|
For example: Before the tithe is taken in my church, someone gets up and qoutes something like Malachi 6-10.
But in Malachi 1:1 it says that it is addressed to Israel and meaning Israel as a nation. That scripture has been fulfilled for them, they have been abundantly blessed as in Solomans days, I haven't seen a christain so blessed that he can't contain it. To me that is obviously for the nation of Israel and not for the church. As for bringing the whole tithe into the storehouse most churchs point to themselves as that place. Considering church buildings didn't come into about the 4th century why would it mean that. Another point: the original tithe wasn't meant for the upkeep of buildings, no wonder most churchs are struggling.
Last Edited By: MarkNZ 03/16/08 23:57:28.
Edited 2 times.
|
||||
|
|
||||
5 Solas |
#4 | |||
So, what about verses such as:
In Christ,
5 Solas
Last Edited By: 5 Solas 03/19/08 16:25:52.
Edited 2 times.
|
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
#5 | |||
|
I have an NIV, looked up the 1st one and says assembly in mine. However, I'm more interested in the tithing debate.
It's such a controversial one. I used to tithe and when I did I used to defend it with a passion but after having studied up on it I find so much evidence against it being a new covenant practice. You'de think there would be some suggestions that the early christians tithed ( no suggestions that the disciples tithed).Being such an important thing in the old testament you would think it would be more clear. |
||||
|
|
||||
5 Solas |
#6 | |||
MarkNZ wrote: I understand your question is about tithing. However, not only is the answer to your question important, but how you get there is just as important. Note:
before you ever posted your question I posted this concerning "offerings":
It is sometimes argued that the tithe is no longer applicable in the New Testament era, but that the rule of giving generously and cheerfully now applies. However, the New Testament nowhere revokes the command to tithe, and Jesus himself affirms it (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). Moreover, the passage generally used to support this argument (2 Cor. 9:7), does not apply to tithes, but to a special gift for the needy. Of course, the New Testament also affirms the need to care for the poor apart from using the tithe (Matt. 6:3-4; 19:21; Mark 10:21; Luke 14:13; 18:22; 19:8; Gal. 2:10; Jam. 2:1-17). However, what I am attempting to have you discover is that your methodology for getting the answer is in error. Look and the Greek of the verses and you will discover that what you see translated "assembly" is "church." I would suggest reading http://thirdmill.org/newfiles/wil_hendriksen/wil_hendriksen.Israel.html
In Christ,
5 Solas
Last Edited By: 5 Solas 03/20/08 08:37:24.
Edited 3 times.
|
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
#7 | |||
|
Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 are old covenant and spoken to pharisees.
Jesus is the head of the church and as the head comes 1st the church couldn't possibly start until Jesus had died on that cross. However I'll go look up some of that other stuff you've recommended. By the way, there are other things that weren't revoked but we don't practice them. |
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
#8 | |||
|
I read that Hendriksen piece and found this among it.
(Hence, for Paul the church, consisting of Jews and Gentiles who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior, is indeed Israel.) Of course Jews who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior are part of the church but those that haven't are not part of the church and that happens to be the majority at the moment. To be part of the genuine church people need to be born again which couldn't even begin to happen until Jesus had gone to the cross. |
||||
|
|
||||
5 Solas |
#9 | |||
MarkNZ wrote: Evaluating Premillennialism, Part I
In Christ,
5 Solas |
||||
|
|
||||
MarkNZ |
#10 | |||
|
Found some more scripture:
Matthew 16:18 ( I will build my church.) future tense. Not, I am building or I have been building. Eph 2:20-21 (built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus as the chief cornerstone. |
||||
|
|
||||
| Tithing | 07/20/41 16:05:55 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/15/08 06:15:38 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/15/08 20:38:53 | MarkNZ |
| mans | 03/15/08 20:59:18 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/19/08 14:53:25 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 01:48:02 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 08:22:32 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 16:59:05 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 17:20:59 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 17:15:34 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 18:46:20 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 21:52:12 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/20/08 23:39:58 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/21/08 09:24:14 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/21/08 17:34:24 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/21/08 20:07:05 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/22/08 01:21:34 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/22/08 20:36:37 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Tithing | 03/22/08 22:31:11 | MarkNZ |
| Re: Tithing | 03/24/08 08:38:47 | 5 Solas |
|
|