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Daron Lawing	Re: Right - wrong	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 74 02/24/04 13:48:36	God forbade images (at least of Himself) not preaching of the Word. You're saying they are the same. That communicating via images and communicating via spoken or written word is the same and that's just not true. As a result to condemn one while approving the other is by no means inconsistent.
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ramclaughlin	That wasn't the question	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1455 02/24/04 14:27:37	The question pertained to the basis on which God condemned images. God did condemn at least some images. The question is, as you pointed out in another post, "Why?" It was then suggested that the answer cannot be "because they are not full revelations." One reason the traditional answer does not seem sufficient is that it would tend to condemn preaching along with images. In light of this apparent problem, the question became "Must images meet a different standard of revelation than words must meet?"
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Daron Lawing	Re: That wasn't the question	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 74 02/25/04 18:07:39	*Quote:* The question pertained to the basis on which God condemned images. God did condemn at least some images. The question is, as you pointed out in another post, "Why?" It was then suggested that the answer cannot be "because they are not full revelations." One reason the traditional answer does not seem sufficient is that it would tend to condemn preaching along with images. In light of this apparent problem, the question became "Must images meet a different standard of revelation than words must meet?" in Ra-like fashion I will answer this question - yes. (apmly illustrated whenever I use one of the emotive icons. They often require explanation with words lest the message be misinterpreted.)
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Goldberry of Withywindle	I am not saying they are the same.	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 435 02/24/04 14:27:43	I am saying they both communicate truth about God inadequately, yet one of the objections against images is that communicating truth about God inadequately is a lie. So if "communicating truth inadequately is a lie" is held up as a reason why images are forbidden, why does it not hold true in the case of preaching? Simply saying "because preaching is commanded" doesn't explain it, because then you are in effect saying "God commanded something that is a lie on the one hand, and forbade something else because it is a lie." ~Jane, a Bonsai Ent Words couldn't express it. They wouldn't express it; they'd mutiny first and become babble. -- James Blaylock, The Last Coin
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The Passion	02/22/04 22:48:03	Andy Van Slyke Fan
Re: The Passion	02/23/04 00:28:08	smoothak
Re: The Passion	02/23/04 08:48:45	rodkirby
I recently did a Q&A on this	02/23/04 15:50:31	ramclaughlin
Re: I recently did a Q&A on this	02/23/04 17:52:27	TheIronHare
But the fact that we might sinfully misuse something....	02/23/04 18:13:27	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: But the fact that we might sinfully misuse something....	02/24/04 09:06:44	rodkirby
That's why...	02/24/04 11:07:43	Goldberry of Withywindle
Ra you're wrong on this one...	02/24/04 11:07:10	Daron Lawing
Huh?	02/24/04 13:00:04	ramclaughlin
On that final objection.	02/24/04 13:18:29	Goldberry of Withywindle
Right.	02/24/04 13:39:20	ramclaughlin
Re: Right - wrong	02/24/04 13:48:36	Daron Lawing
That wasn't the question	02/24/04 14:27:37	ramclaughlin
Re: That wasn't the question	02/25/04 18:07:39	Daron Lawing
I am not saying they are the same.	02/24/04 14:27:43	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: Huh?	02/24/04 13:47:18	Daron Lawing
Re: Huh?	02/24/04 14:18:18	ramclaughlin
Re: Huh?	02/24/04 14:49:37	Daron Lawing
Idols and Images...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 16:07:59	Matthew Gross
Re: Idols and Images...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 16:46:30	Daron Lawing
Re: Idols and Images...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 16:52:12	ramclaughlin
Re: Idols and Images...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 16:54:35	Daron Lawing
Idols and IDOLATRY...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 17:02:23	Daron Lawing
Re: Idols and IDOLATRY...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 17:08:17	ramclaughlin
Re: Idols and IDOLATRY...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 17:12:34	Daron Lawing
false fallacies	02/24/04 17:22:33	ramclaughlin
Re: Idols and IDOLATRY...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 17:34:20	Daron Lawing
too subtle for me	02/24/04 17:46:46	ramclaughlin
Re: too subtle for me	02/24/04 18:02:35	Daron Lawing
graven images.	02/24/04 17:58:38	Matthew Gross
Obviously everyone is ignoring me.	02/24/04 18:06:16	Matthew Gross
Still Waiting...	02/24/04 18:09:00	Matthew Gross
I give up...	02/24/04 18:10:01	Matthew Gross
Re: I give up...	02/24/04 18:12:45	Daron Lawing
Re: I give up...	02/24/04 18:15:23	Daron Lawing
Re: graven images.	02/24/04 18:11:04	Daron Lawing
Re: Idols and Images...Is there a connection?	02/24/04 16:49:05	Daron Lawing
ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 16:47:48	ramclaughlin
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 16:52:26	Daron Lawing
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 17:01:15	ramclaughlin
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 17:07:03	Daron Lawing
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 17:11:36	ramclaughlin
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 17:17:08	Daron Lawing
Please connect the dots for me.	02/24/04 17:26:19	ramclaughlin
Re: Please connect the dots for me.	02/24/04 17:58:59	Daron Lawing
Re: Please connect the dots for me.	02/24/04 18:43:48	ramclaughlin
Re: image image image	02/25/04 02:54:24	Canuk
Re: image image image	02/25/04 10:16:48	Daron Lawing
Re: Please connect the dots for me.	02/25/04 10:15:40	Daron Lawing
Mel's Picture	02/25/04 12:57:19	ramclaughlin
Re: Mel's Picture	02/25/04 13:09:58	Daron Lawing
It doesn't "mean" that.	02/25/04 13:20:19	Goldberry of Withywindle
Thank you!	02/25/04 14:03:06	ramclaughlin
I don't undertand....	02/25/04 14:58:31	Daron Lawing
Last word	02/25/04 15:12:33	Daron Lawing
You can have it, if you like	02/25/04 15:38:41	ramclaughlin
Re: You can have it, if you like	02/25/04 15:44:27	Daron Lawing
But I DO Look Like Mel Gibson!	02/25/04 16:25:35	Mathetais
Re: But I DO Look Like Mel Gibson!	02/25/04 17:30:35	Daron Lawing
Re: It doesn't "mean" that.	02/25/04 14:47:58	Daron Lawing
exactly which one does not belong	02/25/04 15:20:48	Matthew Gross
Re: exactly which one does not belong	02/25/04 15:33:03	Daron Lawing
Re: exactly which one does not belong	02/26/04 12:22:26	Daron Lawing
Re: You never answered my first part...	02/26/04 12:33:59	Canuk
Re: You never answered my first part...	02/26/04 12:56:15	Daron Lawing
People as image bearers, photos, etc.	02/26/04 13:35:56	ramclaughlin
Re: People as image bearers, photos, etc.	02/26/04 13:52:05	Daron Lawing
What about the little rock?	02/26/04 14:08:11	ramclaughlin
dangling dots and unanswered questions	02/26/04 18:04:29	Daron Lawing
Just imitating God.	02/26/04 14:12:15	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: Just imitating God.	02/26/04 15:41:40	Daron Lawing
Re: Just imitating God.	02/26/04 16:02:32	Daron Lawing
Musta been a miscommunication somewhere.	02/26/04 16:27:23	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: Musta been a miscommunication somewhere.	02/26/04 16:39:27	Daron Lawing
Well, I'm pretty sure that I agree with Jane	02/26/04 17:59:10	ramclaughlin
Re: Well, I'm pretty sure that I agree with Jane	02/26/04 18:09:54	Daron Lawing
Can we get an MPEG	02/26/04 18:28:35	ramclaughlin
noodle dancing	03/01/04 12:15:04	Daron Lawing
On the subject of Ra's wife...	02/26/04 19:20:09	Goldberry of Withywindle
The word of the day = circular arguements	02/26/04 19:45:48	Canuk
My head is spinning by now...	02/27/04 12:04:25	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: Just imitating God.	02/26/04 16:06:17	Daron Lawing
All means all and that is all it ever means...	02/26/04 13:10:59	Matthew Gross
Re: All means all and that is all it ever means...	02/26/04 13:40:08	Daron Lawing
brown, I think...	02/26/04 13:49:45	ramclaughlin
Re: brown, I think...	02/26/04 13:53:13	Daron Lawing
you are right, ra, sorry daron....	02/26/04 14:09:22	Matthew Gross
Re: you are right, ra, sorry daron....	02/26/04 15:35:16	Daron Lawing
Re: It doesn't "mean" that.	02/25/04 16:10:05	ramclaughlin
intentions and function	02/25/04 17:52:44	Daron Lawing
At least he's got the hair for it.	02/25/04 18:09:11	Goldberry of Withywindle
oh my sides!!	02/25/04 18:12:20	Daron Lawing
still a Novice though	02/25/04 18:15:06	Daron Lawing
You should have it by now...	02/26/04 12:18:37	Matthew Gross
Re: You should have it by now...	02/26/04 12:56:56	Daron Lawing
You've got me there!	02/25/04 19:41:25	ramclaughlin
how to stop the email	02/26/04 10:11:30	Daron Lawing
Another way to stop the e-mail.	02/26/04 12:18:16	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: Another way to stop the e-mail.	02/26/04 12:41:20	Daron Lawing
Speaking of email	02/26/04 14:09:57	ramclaughlin
acting vs idol	02/26/04 17:11:22	Canuk
Re: acting vs idol	02/26/04 17:54:10	Daron Lawing
Ahh! Good to know. Thanks.	02/26/04 13:38:59	ramclaughlin
"portray the real Jesus"	02/25/04 14:57:12	Daron Lawing
Re: ditto all Matt's answers, plus	02/24/04 17:09:38	Daron Lawing
There is no fallacy that I can see	02/24/04 17:17:11	ramclaughlin
Re: There is no fallacy that I can see	02/24/04 17:20:58	Daron Lawing
He/she/it?	02/24/04 14:32:34	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: He/she/it?	02/24/04 14:39:02	ramclaughlin
Or perhaps...	02/24/04 14:40:38	ramclaughlin
Re: He/she/it?	02/24/04 14:52:56	Daron Lawing
No apology needed.	02/24/04 14:59:45	Goldberry of Withywindle
both sides of my mouth	02/24/04 15:07:45	Daron Lawing
Just so you understand...	02/24/04 15:24:34	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: He/she/it?	02/27/04 01:11:38	tbrainerd
"Jane's Fighting Ships!"	02/27/04 12:08:02	Goldberry of Withywindle
Re: "Jane's Fighting Ships!"	02/27/04 23:17:51	tbrainerd
I like Brian Jacques but...	03/01/04 11:34:22	Daron Lawing
Not at all.	03/01/04 13:48:18	Goldberry of Withywindle
gimme more badger lords	03/01/04 14:20:06	Daron Lawing
the Bell Maker	03/01/04 14:20:18	Daron Lawing
Sorry, haven't read it	03/01/04 17:02:44	ramclaughlin
English Lit. question	03/03/04 16:02:30	Daron Lawing
Re: English Lit. question	03/03/04 17:10:09	ramclaughlin
image type	03/03/04 16:12:49	Daron Lawing
ad nauseum debate encapsulated ad nauseum	03/03/04 17:08:15	Matthew Gross
Re: ad nauseum debate encapsulated ad nauseum	03/03/04 18:10:16	Daron Lawing
Re: ad nauseum debate encapsulated ad nauseum	03/03/04 18:18:49	Matthew Gross
Re: ad nauseum debate encapsulated ad nauseum	03/17/04 10:54:18	Kait77
I still have my doubts about your #2.	03/17/04 12:28:52	Goldberry of Withywindle
would you mind reposting this as a new topic...	03/17/04 16:30:49	Matthew Gross
regarding the use of specific media	02/24/04 14:33:32	ramclaughlin
Right.	02/24/04 14:35:32	Goldberry of Withywindle
TY4 that link. Since my previous post...	03/02/04 17:37:53	TheIronHare
Daron figured out the email thing	03/02/04 18:21:55	ramclaughlin
TY both!	03/04/04 15:08:14	TheIronHare
Pictures of Christ by John Murray	02/24/04 18:16:01	ramclaughlin
Has anyone seen it yet?	03/01/04 14:55:54	Daron Lawing
I am wating until you think it is right for us to go...	03/03/04 17:09:22	Matthew Gross

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