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Why Evangelicals Should Support Mitt Romney |
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Perisseuo |
I'm still not convinced | #1 | ||
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that Romney is not a flip-flopper. I would think it impossible for a true conservative to win the statehouse in Massachusetts. His Mormonism doesn't bother me much. There is no difference between that and nominal Christianity which we have pretty much gotten in decades.
Huckabee is interesting to me, but I'm still trying to find out that while he was Pres of the Arkansas SBC Convention, did he side with the moderates or conservatives, or played with both sides? I'm not convinced that he gets his conservatism from a strong biblical worldview. He may be more of a populist conservative. John Chaney
"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." (Colossians 2:7 NASB) |
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Re: I'm still not convinced | #2 | ||
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From what I understand, Huckabee did not endorse CBF (moderate/liberal SBC) issues but was rather conservative. From the reports of all the talking heads, he appears liberal on economics and horrible on immigration. I did not like his reply on getting into war with Iran without the consent of Congress, but insists that the concept of Christian forgiveness requires that we keep open the process of parole even for violent felons. He appears to be good on abortion. That said, I'm still largely undecided. There just isn't that much to choose from. I do like the fact that unlike Romney he is spending "little" on this race.
I found this as an interesting response to Grudem. pastorblastor.wordpress.c...-question/ In Christ,
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Perisseuo |
One other thing | #3 | ||
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on Romney, but it could apply to all of them.
Does his wife and family support his values? I'm sick and tired of conservatives in political office allowing their families send mix signals or even disagree with them on social conservative issues. It's kinda like a Pastor wife not participating in church. I would be called extremely conservative, but I am not against immigration. We do not have an immigration problem; we have a social welfair/entitlement problem. The Gospel cannot go forward if the borders are closed. We cannot expect other countries to keep their open if we closed ours. John Chaney
"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." (Colossians 2:7 NASB) |
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Re: One other thing | #4 | ||
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From what I understand Ann Romney does talks about what it means to stay at home and be a mother. Mitt and her have been married for 38 years so .. their marriage appears good. However, it is not a marriage based solely on biblical principles, so
However, Mitt (Massachusetts, 2002) did very little, if anything, to stop (his position gave him constitutional authority to stop it) a new same-sex marriage law though he states verbally he is against gay marriage his actions dictate otherwise. However, Romneys wife, son, and daughter-in-law signed a petition in support of a proposed constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage benefits .. Thus, I am not convinced of his so-called family values and his family does not always agree with him.. While I am not against individuals coming to the US legally I do have problems with individuals illegally coming into the US. Besides taxing our social and economic resources, they bring a lot of crime (much of it violent, which I have personally encountered) into the US. There needs to be rules set that allow us to regulate who comes into the US. Im not speaking about closing the boarders, but more efficiently regulating open boarders. In Christ,
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What do you think about Ron Paul?
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Not sure. I am still looking at the candidates. What do you know about him?
In Christ,
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Perisseuo |
Is libertarianism compatible with Christianity | #7 | ||
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in its wordview.
John Chaney
"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." (Colossians 2:7 NASB) |
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Re: Is libertarianism compatible with Christianity | #8 | ||
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it depends on one's definiton of libertarianism ? ..... Machen's politics were libertarian and caused him to resist every federal encroachment upon local authority. He disapproved of child-labor laws, military conscription, and state-run public education.
In Christ,
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Forgive my brash and perhaps platitudinous response, but RP makes me reconsider the legitimacy of reincarnation--he appears to be Jacksonian at first glance, with his abhorrence for a central bank, but RP lacks the fortitude and steadfastness of the great late President. RP must think the stone age was the golden age, as his position to return us to the gold standard would surely accomplish this in lightening speed. His supporters will protest by saying that Congress, not the President, has the authority to abolish the Fed and return the dollar to the gold standard, but electing a leader of the free world that supports such draconian measures would make one question whether free elections are such a good thing after all.
I could go on about his pacifism and failure to recognize the true nature of global terrorism, but suffice it to say that if he accomplished one of his two main areas of disagreement with the GOP--withdrawal of American forces and influence throughout the world or the abolishment of the Fed--many Americans would die; via terrorism and American enemies in the first instance, or poverty (perhaps even starvation) in the second. Other than that, RP would be a great president. |
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OpenMinded |
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If you particularly enjoy national debt, Huckabee is your guy. He's certain to give you plenty of it. Huck has a strong record of spending increases, and tax increases, in Arkansas. However, Huck realizes that he cannot win on a platform of tax increases, so he endorses the Fair Tax. Great! But the Fair Tax is a stranglehold, as is ANY tax cut, if it is not matched with spending cuts. Huck rarely if ever talks about spending cuts, and his track record in Arkansas demonstrates a socialist, big brother viewpoint of government. Bush has already increased the national debt from less than $3 trillion to nearly $10 trillion over 7 years. Its become so bad the DEMOCRATS are using a balanced budget as a campaign platform. Pathetic.
No GOP candidates are strong. I think Thompson has the best principles, though he's a dead-man walking as far as the election is considered. McCain, IMHO, is our best option (isn't that depressing??). |
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Matthaeus Flexibilis |
McCain etc. -- some ruminations on this primary | #11 | ||
No GOP candidates are strong. I think Thompson has the best principles, though he's a dead-man walking as far as the election is considered. McCain, IMHO, is our best option (isn't that depressing??).I don't consider myself very political, but from what I know of him, McCain isn't all that bad and in some ways is quite appealing (Rush Limbaugh's claim that if McCain or Huck wins the nomination, it will be the end of the Republican party notwithstanding). While I haven't thoroughly vetted any of the candidates, Romney seems more like a political opportunist and a manager than a president. He seems like he's now a walking Republican party platform, while not too long ago he wasn't. He says he changed his mind, but it seems a little too convenient to me (flashes of people chanting "flip flop" to John Kerry). I think character matters in a president, and Giuliani has little. He doesn't try to hide the skeletons in his closet, but that doesn't mean I should accept them with a cheerful heart. If he wasn't honest with his first two wives, should we trust him to be honest with his third or with us (cf. Mat 25:14-30)? His main argument seems to be, "I'll be tougher and meaner to terrorists." I'm not sure that's what's needed. On the domestic front, even though he says he'd appoint strict constructionists to SCOTUS, he's also pro-abortion. While I think it's best to address the abortion issue from the bottom-up (e.g., crisis pregnancy centers), I would be delighted if Roe were overturned, and I think it is likely that there will be SCOTUS vacancies for the next pres to fill. Even so, abortion is not one of the most important issues in this election. I also don't like Romney and Rudy's views on torture. McCain and Huckabee are more sensible. I tend to like Huckabee overall, and if Chuck Norris were his running mate, well.... that would just seal the deal. ;-) Seriously, I like Huck -- he seems honest, sincere, likable, and can surround himself with enough smart people to make up for most of his deficiencies -- but I doubt he's electable in the general election. The country doesn't want another Bush, and Huck is too close, superficially speaking. (I also am concerned that he may be a Left Behind-ish type Baptist who would let his Christian Zionism affect our foreign policy.) Even so, I could vote for him. I don't know much of anything about Fred Thompson except that he's apparently boring when he's not on Law and Order. I'll probably look into him, but it seems like he's not going anywhere soon except back to L&O after the writer strike. Ron Paul is too far out there to have any chance. While I have some sympathies with libertarianism, he needs more of an incrementalist approach. He's just too radical to win a national election or to win my vote. McCain seems alright. Why do you dislike him? He has a strong anti-abortion record, he's tough on special interest groups (or at least they seem to think so), he's solidly against torture, he seems to talk straighter than most politicians, as his bus's name would imply, he's shown he can work with Republicans and Democrats (a valuable skill for a president with a Democratically controlled Congress), and he seems like he may be the most electable since so many independents and Democrats would consider voting for him -- he's the one the Dems seem to fear the most as an opponent. The Keating Five scandal is a blot on his record, but after reading this article from the NYTimes, which gives as brief history and indicates that McCain was completely exonerated and was persuaded by the experience that campaign finance reform was badly needed, it seems to turn it into a plus. One may question the wisdom of the resulting McCain-Feingold law, but I don't think his character is marred by the incident. Rather it seems to me that his zeal for public righteousness and for reform finds its source in this experience. I also read two columns by conservative pundit David Brooks waxing eloquent about McCain: here on his character and here on his trans-partisanship vis-a-vis Obama's. In short, I see him as among the best options out there. Obama is also an inspiring figure whom I'd consider voting for. The main drawback is that, for all his calls to unity and trans-partisanship, he seems to have precious little experience in doing it. McCain is reviled by some on the Right for his working with the Dems, but no one on the Left dislikes Obama for working with the Right. That says something. I don't really have any opinion on immigration or health care, other than that I'd prefer the latter not be socialized. Setting an arbitrary time-table for withdrawal from Iraq seems unwise (so was going in in the first place, it turns out), but setting no conditions at all is also unacceptable. We need to find a good way out, not the easy way out. Perhaps the candidates' views on that issue will be my deciding factor. PS, I also wish our primaries were run differently (see this article and this proposal). One thing I like about this primary is that the polls were wrong, that no one knows what's going to happen, and that people are turning out in droves to vote. I would be positively delighted if we didn't know who the nominees were, going into the conventions -- reminiscent of the last season of The West Wing. Update: I have continued reading about the candidates and find the story of McCain's divorce as the most serious blot on his record so far. See his Wikipedia entry.
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Ole Pap |
Here's a new word for your vocabulary | #12 | ||
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Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become
aroused over any of the choices for President put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
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That's not brashness | #13 | ||
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That's pure ignorance speaking.
Bret
Hence men are on the one hand born in the flesh liable to sin and death from the first Adam, and on the other hand are born again in Baptism associated with the righteousness and eternal life of the Second Adam.
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OpenMinded |
On The Fed | #14 | ||
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Well, I guess I'll have to explain myself further.
The reason for government the existence of certain tasks from which all citizens receive benefit but no individual or group of individuals would undertake because there is a strong incentive for the non-participants to free-ride. National defense and law enforcement are two such activities. I, along with an overwhelming number of economists, financiers, and executives, consider a central bank to be another. To understand why the Fed is important, we should look at what caused it to be enacted in the first place. The Fed was established by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 in response to the Panic of 1907, which was the fourth major banking panic in 34 years. Overspeculation in the stock market combined with banks' attempts to fight off the growing influence of trusts created a panic which saw the stock market plummet 50%. In turn, the public caused runs on nearly every New York banking trust. The banking runs created a huge disturbance in the ability of companies and people to obtain a loan. Congress threw some money towards the problem, but true disaster was averted when J.P. Morgan arranged funding for the faltering banks and purchased the falling stock of healthy corporations. Banking panics affect more than just bankers. Financiers are very intelligent individuals and they know how to safeguard their money. If the threat of a banking run increases, they pass those costs on to borrowers. Although modern portfolio theory had not yet been prescribed (the theory that describes the tradeoff between risk and return; i.e. if the risk of a loan, or chance of default, increases, the lender will require a higher rate of return as compensation for bearing this greater risk), financiers implicitly understood the concept. We take for granted the ability to obtain cheap financing, but those of you who held a mortgage in the 1970's understand that it has not always been this way (though a major factor of those high rates was inflation). Banks achieve profit through lending out more money than they hold in reserves. Its basically a bet that depositors will not all simultaneously withdraw their funds. The more money they can lend out over their reserves, the greater their profit. More importantly, banks can now afford to provide loans at lower interest rates. An example may help. Let's say you deposit $100 with me at 3% interest. I think that there is an 80% probability that you will withdraw these funds over the next 12 months, so based on this probability, I keep $80 in reserves and loan out the other $20. I will require a minimum of 15% interest ($3) just to break even. That does not include compensation for the possibility that the borrower defaults or any profit. Both are required, pushing that rate up closer to 25% or 30%. Now, think about this from a borrower perspective -- the borrower must be relatively certain that he/she can achieve a return of 25% or greater to take out the loan. How many entrepreneurs can achieve this return over just a few years? Most new businesses, if they don't fail (90% of new businesses do), only achieve this return 5+ years into the business. Rates this high prohibit most business ideas from coming to fruition. What if there was only a 20% probability that you needed those deposited funds? I can then loan $80 and require just 3.75% interest to break even. After adjusting for default risk, inflation, profit, etc., the rate may be 10%. That's quite a big difference from 25%! Almost all bank runs are based on irrational fear of failure and, worse, are self-fulfilling. This was evident during the Northern Rock bank panic in the UK last year. The bank held sufficient reserves to avoid failure, but depositors, gripped by fear, lined down the road to withdraw their funds. Other depositors watched these events on the evening news and many more lined up the next day. As the number of withdrawals increased, the fear of failure increased, turning out still more depositors to withdrawal. It wasn't until the Bank of England guaranteed the deposits that the fear subsided. What does this have to do with the Fed? The Fed serves as a source of confidence for depositors that their money is secure, and for lenders that they can withstand an irrational run on the bank. Though he was unable to keep it from occurring in the first place, JP Morgan kept the Panic of 1907 from causing outright disaster. Unfortunately, there is no bank today that has the finances and clout that Morgan had to solve these crises. Without JPMorgan, the Panic of 1907 could very well have descended into a first great depression because banks would have been almost entirely unwilling to lend. Why would they lend if they thought their deposits would be withdrawn? Businesses that relied on debt (90%+ of all businesses) would have either defaulted on their debt because they could not refinance, or be forced to fire most employees to save cash. There is no JP Morgan that could stave off a banking crisis today, save one that has the backing of the United States government. The Federal Reserve rarely has to provide emergency funding to banks, yet their very presence provides such confidence and stability that rationality, not fear, can be the predominating force in financing. Quick note before I run to church: note that the people hurt from high interest rates are not just financiers and corporate execs. Businesses themselves require affordable financing, and without it they cannot afford to hire workers. The most intelligent and hardest working businesspeople will find ways to make money. In the long run, it's the average Joe who is hurt the most through instability in the financial markets. Philosophically, I don't like the idea of a central bank. Philosophically, I wish we didn't need a federal military and instead have a state-run militia. But both are unrealistic in the world we live in today. There are a number of other functions of the Fed I didn't discuss for brevity's sake. The argument for the Fed and all its functions is complex and lengthy, and one that I just don't have time to present in full. I hope this at least begins to demonstrate, if nothing else, that the argument for/against the Fed is far, far more complex than Mr. Ron Paul wants you to believe. |
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OpenMinded |
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Looks like it's going to be McCain. As I said before, probably our best option, but still terribly depressing. There is reason to hope, though -- if we
keep an historical perspective, the GOP typically runs through phases where the Rockefeller Republicans outweigh the Coolidge Conservatives, and then the CCs
swing back into power. I wouldn't expect to see the CCs come around until 2016 at the earliest, unless the current recession is far worse than we expect
and the US government's revenue falls just as the baby boomers retire. If that occurs, look for the limited government conservatives to swing back with a
vengeance, and for the American people to remember why spending cuts are actually a good thing(!). Let's hope that does not occur. If it does, we will all
be much, much poorer because the government's most viable option would be to use inflation to pay off their debts.
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| Why Evangelicals Should Support Mitt Romney | 12/04/07 16:32:39 | 5 Solas |
| I'm still not convinced | 12/04/07 19:37:41 | Perisseuo |
| Re: I'm still not convinced | 12/04/07 22:23:48 | 5 Solas |
| One other thing | 12/05/07 00:35:38 | Perisseuo |
| Re: One other thing | 12/05/07 09:44:32 | 5 Solas |
| Ron Paul | 12/14/07 18:06:03 | Zan |
| Re: Ron Paul | 12/17/07 15:36:38 | 5 Solas |
| Is libertarianism compatible with Christianity | 12/17/07 23:05:33 | Perisseuo |
| Re: Is libertarianism compatible with Christianity | 12/17/07 23:49:10 | 5 Solas |
| Re: Ron Paul | 01/06/08 12:12:05 | OpenMinded |
| That's not brashness | 01/22/08 00:19:10 | jetbrane |
| On The Fed | 01/27/08 11:42:32 | OpenMinded |
| Re: I'm still not convinced | 01/06/08 12:17:09 | OpenMinded |
| McCain etc. -- some ruminations on this primary | 01/16/08 23:19:14 | Matthaeus Flexibilis |
| Here's a new word for your vocabulary | 01/21/08 21:44:39 | Ole Pap |
| Re: Why Evangelicals Should Support Mitt Romney | 02/09/08 23:57:37 | OpenMinded |
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