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godawgs77	Why you should consider Ron Paul		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 01/22/08 22:20:23	Tags : None Thought I would do my best to give you a quick run down on Ron Paul and why you should or should not vote for him since the question came up in the previous thread on Mitt Romney. My disclaimer is I was in college republicans, got the limbaugh letter, grew up in the Methodist church but went to a Southern Baptist Youth Group later on, voted Bush the last two elections and watch Fox News after work each night. I also am a Ron Paul supporter and am happy to answer any questions you might have. General Viewpoints: Ron Paul believes that federal government should be limited in nature. This idea influences all of his policy decisions. Is Ron Paul prolife or prochoice? Ron is prolife and would like to see Roe vs. Wade repealed. He does not think it is the federal governments role to tell the citizens of Alabama what they should or should not allow. Is Ron Paul a religious man? Ron Paul is a Baptist and his two brothers are ministers. He does not wear his religion on his sleeve as some but that does not mean he is not a Christian (obviously). Is Ron Paul a family man? He has been married to the same woman for over fifty years. Has grandkids, seems to love his family. What does Ron Paul think about the economy? Well, as some will point out his ideas are considered radical by TV news pundits. I think his ideas are radical in some cases but instead of explaining his ideas I would encourage everyone to watch this YouTube clip from the Glen Beck show who is interviewing the comptroller of the us government. It is not pro Ron Paul, but it is pro learn about what a financial mess we are in as a nation. If you think it is of value do some more research and make up your own mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE Is Ron Paul weak on terrorism? Ron Paul voted FOR going after Bin Laden after 9/11. He believes that the war in Iraq has taken our eye off the ball with Bin Laden. How does he think retreating from Iraq will help protect us? Ron Paul talks extensively about the issue of blowback. The concept is detailed and requires you to do some research on your own. The basic concept is if you stay in Iraq with military troops then a certain percentage of the citizens of Iraq will grow to hate us - making them more likely to grow up and want to hurt Americans. For example, look at the radicalization of Iran, which is a byproduct of the CIA overthrow of a democratically elected prime minister and installing the Sha. That is a very clear-cut example of blowback, which we see today and which is why Iran hates the USA. But you did not answer me, how would pulling out of Iraq protect us today? I would flip the question around and ask, what is being done to secure our borders to prevent terrorists from entering the country? Whether or not we have a liberal or tight immigration policy is beyond this post but we should have an orderly immigration policy. Ron Paul is very consistent about 'installing a security system' (securing the borders) in your house before you drive around the neighborhood (policing the world) looking for criminals to shoot. If you have any questions I will do my best to answer. I think Ron Paul gets the most resistance from Republicans because he wants to bring the troops home. Socially and fiscally I am not sure if there another consistent conservative in the race but I am biased. Last Edited By: godawgs77 01/22/08 22:51:21. Edited 2 times.
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Perisseuo	OS	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 188 01/22/08 23:16:04	Hi there. I notice in your userid profile that you live in Ocean Springs. I do too. Also, I'm a State grad. Sorry, I'm not much of a Paul fan, though I do have a lot of libertarian tendencies. My problem with high profile libertarians is that they forsake their limited government rhetoric in order to champion media-favorite civil liberty (I should say license). Unless they get a handle of reducing government, then their policies will fail miserably. Liberty without responsibility will bring about more socialism, which runs contrary to libertarianism. BTW, I thought he goes to an Episcopal church in Texas. John Chaney "having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." (Colossians 2:7 NASB)
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SW28fan	Ron Paul	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 01/22/08 23:21:51 Novice	I really don't think he has much of a change at getting the nomination let alone being elected. For better or for worse I believe it with be McCain vs Clinton. My gestimate for November is McCain 55% Clinton 44%. Paul Varga (Mostly harmless, and almost sane)
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godawgs77		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 01/23/08 00:21:14	He and his wife did attend a Episcopal church in Texas for quite awhile although they made the switch and now attend a Baptist church. In a summary about his faith, Ron Paul writes, "I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator." I found your comments regarding high profile libertarians interesting and was hoping you could expand a little more so I have a good starting point to do some further research. I have an honest desire to understand political thought and find whether I agree or disagree with someone on an issue knowing both sides usually makes me a better person. Thanks in advance for any further info you can add.
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godawgs77		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 01/23/08 00:29:27	Thanks for the comment and you are probably right about who will win the election. It is looking like McCain is running away with it right now although I do think we will see RP winning Louisiana (they have a caucus system that voted today which is pretty confusing and the MSM is not covering). I do feel very strongly that people should vote for who they think is the best candidate whoever that might be by formign thier own opinions through independent research. Michigan is a frustrating example for dedicated RP folks where entrance polls showed 14% of the folks voting thought RP was the best choice for president but half of them voted for someone else because they did not think he was electable. If anything, I think it is scary the power the media outlets hold over people and their votes and the amount of influence they exert.
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The Clinging Vine	There appears to be a bug in the Yuku profile system...	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 01/23/08 00:45:26	....which shows the viewer's home location as being the location for everyone else, too. IOW, John, when I click on your profile link, I see that you're in - tah dah! - Fort Worth. As are godawgs77 and SW28fan, too. Ah, were only it so! Anne, a Predestinarian Complementarian The Vine's Blog "Will nothing please you but two heavens, one here, another hereafter?" -- Thomas Boston, "The Crook in the Lot"
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Perisseuo		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 189 01/23/08 12:25:42	First, let me say that I may vote for Paul in the primary. There is really no one that I prefer, so I just might vote for him since I know that he will not win. Here is the two problems I have with libertarians. One is philosophical and the other is their willingness to compromise their core values. 1) Philosophically, 'true' libertarianism fights against christianity. It promotes a neutral value on all belief systems. There is not much intrinsically wrong in the eyes of a libertarian. Take for instance drugs, they promote that all drug laws be repealed. Well, what about the harm done to the individual, the family, and the community. Libertarianism says, 'so be it'. OTOH, christianity says to love our neighbor which makes laws necessary. I'm not really sure if their is such a institution as 'true' libertarianiam as one will need to swing to the right or left in deciding upon what belongs to government and what does not. 2) Even with Paul who mostly sticks to his guns, we have seen him pandering to the liberal media machine as he becomes more popular due to his views on being anti-Bush. A lot of his popularity comes that, and when it does; the libertarian message gets muted. In past elections, the Libertarian candidate, I believe his name was Brown, spent more time talking about its being none of the government business concerning questions such as abortion than with the libertarian nuts and bolts core value of less government and man's responsibility. IMO, for libertarianism to govern as its intentioned core philosophy, they have to first reduce government from its nanny-state function and preach real individual freedom. That is what they need to hit home at every occasion; but for some reason they do not do that. Instead they pander to those who want special privileges for particular vices. Sadly, when presenting their message to the general public, it becomes one of legalizing drugs, prostitution, etc. So, rather than accomplishing their goal of a libertarian philosophy in governance, the result will be increase socialism as government will have to pick up the pieces of non-responsible freedoms. Libertarians have to first dismantle the reliance upon government before talking about the other parts of their platform because if they do not dismantle government all else they promote becomes futile. But for some reason when a libertarian get into the public eye, they bypass the essentials quickly and head toward the non-essentials. It gives them favorable popularity, but its about the message not the messager. John Chaney "having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." (Colossians 2:7 NASB)
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rodkirby		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 464 01/23/08 13:59:08	I tend to agree with Perisseuo. However, the media influence (mentioned in another post) means that, no matter how much Paul would focus on the principles of limited government, etc., the media will see to it that the only message which gets out is anything controversial -- exiting Iraq, for example. And, at some point, any candidate will have to talk about more than general principles of government -- he/she will have to address specific cases. "So if you believe government should be limited, what do you believe the government should do about Iraq/prostitution/gambling/drugs?" Then the stories are not about "RP is committed to constitutionally-limited government" but "RP advocates immediate withdrawal from Iraq." Rod Kirby, Ph.D. Dominion Christian High School Marietta, GA dominionchristian.org
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Why you should consider Ron Paul	01/22/08 22:20:23	godawgs77
OS	01/22/08 23:16:04	Perisseuo
Re: Why you should consider Ron Paul	01/23/08 00:21:14	godawgs77
Re: Why you should consider Ron Paul	01/23/08 12:25:42	Perisseuo
Re: Why you should consider Ron Paul	01/23/08 13:59:08	rodkirby
There appears to be a bug in the Yuku profile system...	01/23/08 00:45:26	The Clinging Vine
Ron Paul	01/22/08 23:21:51	SW28fan
Re: Why you should consider Ron Paul	01/23/08 00:29:27	godawgs77

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