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Where in Genesis do you get the idea that the word "day" is a metiphor for something else.
You can find more detailed descriptions of the framework theory and related links in the earlier posts in this thread. The exegetical case is made succinctly here feeds@yuku.com (Matthaeus Flexibilis) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1052 Fri, 05 May 2006 21:18:35 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1051/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1051
It's similar to Jesus' parables. Think about the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (rodkirby) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1051 Tue, 02 May 2006 06:57:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1050/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1050
For the sake of comparison, consider the way parables work. In the parable of the sower, it is clear that the word "seed" means seed. Jesus is talking about a person sowing seeds. But his point is not about seeds, it is about the gospel. So, the word should be translated as "seed," but it must be interpreted as "the gospel of the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tom) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1050 Mon, 01 May 2006 20:43:12 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1049/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1049
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However, in Genesis chapter one it must be interpreted as a 24 hour period.
The framework view does not deny this. In fact, the framework view affirms it. But it takes the whole passage as a conceit, an extended metaphor.

For the sake of comparison, consider the way parables work. In the parable of the sower, it is clear that the word "seed" means seed. Jesus is... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1049 Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:42:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1048/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1048 Consider the following.


Normally "yom" is used in Scripture to mean a 24 hour day. But there are exceptions such as Is. 61:2 where it is used for longer periods of time. Or in the case of Genesis 2:4, where it is used as an idiom "when".
However, in Genesis chapter one it must be interpreted as a 24 hour period.
1.) Elsewhere,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tom) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1048 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:13:02 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1047/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1047 like the PCA as a denomination, I can appreciate the other views, too. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Matthaeus Flexibilis) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1047 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:47:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1043/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1043
I simply meant that, phenomenologically, we can "see" the stars. But in point of fact, if God created light in transit from stars billions of light years away, there would be little reason to create the stars themselves. After all, we will never... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1043 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:07:48 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1071/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1071 :p
~Jane~

Suddenly I was abuzz with ideas.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Goldberry of Withywindle) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1071 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:54:56 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1046/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1046
I am saying that the Word that tells us how things were created tells us their ages -- that is, the ages of those things that were created at that time, as opposed to the ages of things that were generated later by the mechanisms inaugurated at creation. It explains away the conflict, by simply asserting that it was an exception to what we might... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Goldberry of Withywindle) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1046 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:53:06 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1042/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1042
But my question was really, how can they be "visible stars" if the light has not yet reached us? The only way something can be visible is if the light reflected or generated... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Goldberry of Withywindle) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1042 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:47:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1070/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1070
And now I know what "deins" stands for! :D ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1070 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:59:54 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1041/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1041
And it also doesn't seem to be implied by the text itself. The text seems to say that lights shine, and then we see them. It doesn't seem to envision a world in which the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1041 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:28:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1039/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1039
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Do you mean because under a young earth interpretation the light never actually emanated from those distant stars and the text seems to imply that that is their primary purpose?
Yes. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1039 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:09:55 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1045/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1045
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But we aren't left with reasoning from the current behavior of light to the apparent age of light.

We are explicitly told that God created light before He created anything else. So I don't think it raises that particular conundrum.
Agreed. What I was trying to articulate is that it's not the existence of light that... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Matthaeus Flexibilis) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1045 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:16:46 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1073/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1073
Most of what I've seen is simply attempts to introduce into science education the theoretical possibility that a mechanism other than evolution, which could be ID but is not necessarily ID, is responsible for the current state of affairs. That they use the arguments of ID advocates to question evolution, does not mean that ID is being positively taught.

Yet so... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Goldberry of Withywindle) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1073 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:36:51 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1040/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1040
I mean, yeah, if they are too many light years away, then their light would never each the earth in a given amount of time. But we all agree that we can see them, so how is it that their light has never reached the earth?

Either way, whether the earth is a jillion years old, or whether the light we see was created ex nihilo, while generated light continues to work its way toward us, we do see them.

As... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Goldberry of Withywindle) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1040 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:33:08 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1038/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1038
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Most visible stars never have and never will shed any light on the earth (unless the second coming is many billions of years in the future).
Do you mean because under a young earth interpretation the light never actually emanated from those distant stars and the text seems to imply that that is their primary purpose?

Some (perhaps) interesting footnotes: we are in an outer... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Matthaeus Flexibilis) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1038 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:03:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1069/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1069
www.bulletbobby.blogspot.com/ ]]> feeds@yuku.com (deins) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1069 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:12:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1044/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1044
Keep up the good work. Ultimately, it's not an issue of light from the stars anyway - it's an issue of biblical authority as the blurb below states. Liberalism usually starts in the seminary and the pulpit - not the pew. Then when you come on to internet discussion forums and disagree unbendingly and call unbelief what it is, you get publicly rebuked by easily irritated pontificates who contradict the Word and yet want to accuse others of arrogance. I'm with you all the way... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (deins) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1044 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:05:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/reply/1037/t/Age-of-the-universe.html#reply-1037
1. God created the visible stars to shed light on the earth.
2. Most visible stars never have and never will shed any light on the earth (unless the second coming is many billions of years in the future). ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ramclaughlin) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/sreply/1037 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:20:51 GMT <![CDATA[ Age of the universe ]]> http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/topic/534/t/Age-of-the-universe.html feeds@yuku.com (Matthaeus Flexibilis) http://thirdmillennium49091.yuku.com/topic/534 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:26:47 GMT